Tuesday, May 06, 2014

IRAN WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICAS NAVY

JEWISH KING JESUS IS COMING AT THE RAPTURE FOR US IN THE CLOUDS-DON'T MISS IT FOR THE WORLD.THE BIBLE TAKEN LITERALLY- WHEN THE PLAIN SENSE MAKES GOOD SENSE-SEEK NO OTHER SENSE-LEST YOU END UP IN NONSENSE.GET SAVED NOW- CALL ON JESUS TODAY.THE ONLY SAVIOR OF THE WHOLE EARTH - NO OTHER

JEREMEIAH 49:35-37 (IN IRAN AT THE BUSHEHR OR ARAK NUKE SITE SOME BELIEVE)
35  Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam,(IRAN/BUSHEHR NUCLEAR SITE) the chief of their might.(MOST DANGEROUS NUKE SITE IN IRAN)
36  And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,(IRANIANS SCATTERED OR MASS IMIGARATION) and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.(WORLD IMMIGRATION)
37  For I will cause Elam (IRAN-BUSHEHR NUKE SITE) to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger,(ISRAELS NUKES POSSIBLY) saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:(IRAN AND ITS NUKE SITES DESTROYED)

THE END OF HUMANITY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Nf3TcMiHo&list=PLsRNoUx8w3rNxz52t4H5WIsxDF782Z5Yu

Iranian navy chief: We aim to destroy the US Navy-American warships are easy target, brags Ali Fadavi, claiming his forces could sink a US aircraft carrier in less than a minute-By Times of Israel staff May 6, 2014, 2:44 am 18

The naval commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi, said Monday that the destruction of the US Navy is a major operational goal of his forces, an Iranian news agency reported. In an unusually aggressive interview, he was said to have declared that Iran’s navy had been conducting drills on how to sink US vessels in any potential combat, that Iran “naturally” wants to sink these vessels, and that it could sink a US aircraft carrier in less than a minute.“Conducting trainings, exercises and drills to get prepared for operational goals is always on our agenda and Americans and all the world know that one of the operational goals of the IRGC Navy is destruction of the US naval force,” Fadavi said in what the semi-official Fars News Agency called an exclusive interview.US air power totally depends on fighters flying from its aircraft carriers, Fadavi was quoted saying, “hence, that is a natural thing that we want to sink these vessels.”Fars said Fadavi also spoke of the vulnerability of the United States’ giant warships and aircraft carriers, notably in any potential combat against Iranian missiles and speedboats in the Persian Gulf: “If you take a look at [former US defense secretary] Robert Gates’ book, you will see how he counts the vulnerabilities of aircraft carriers to the IRGC Navy and (that’s why) he asks for a change in the US naval strategy. This is no easy task, but they (the Americans) have started doing so as he has emphasized,” Fadavi said.US warships are a very easy target for the IRGC naval force, given that “we have very precise analyses of the design, construction and structures of these warships and we know how to act.”Fadavi said his forces had been conducting routine drills on how to sink US vessels, notably in the Persian Gulf.He confirmed that Iran had produced “replicas of the US aircraft carriers” for IRGC Navy drills, and said American reports on these replicas had dealt with the issue “very simple-mindedly.”Said Fadavi: “They (Americans) know nothing. We have been making and sinking replicas of US destroyers, frigates and warships for long years, and we have sunk the replica of their vessels in 50 seconds through a series of operational measures,” added Fadavi.“We practice the same drills on replica aircraft carriers because sinking and destroying US warships has, is and will be on our agenda,” he stressed.Fars also quoted Fadavi saying the IRGC Navy was one of the only two military forces equipped with a unique torpedo, originally designed by Russia, which travels at 100 meters per second (360km/h) under water. He claimed the US had spent $20 billion over 15 years in a failed bid to develop the same technology.In February, Iranian state TV ran a documentary featuring a computerized video of Iran’s drones and missiles bombing Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ben Gurion Airport and the Dimona nuclear reactor in a hypothetical retaliation for an Israeli or American strike on the Islamic Republic. Iranian drones and missiles were also shown carrying out simulated strikes on the American aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, downing American aircraft and striking American military targets in the Persian Gulf.

And here are the bounderies of the land that Israel will inherit either through war or peace or God in the future. God says its Israels land and only Israels land. They will have every inch God promised them of this land in the future.

Egypt east of the Nile River, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, The southern part of Turkey and the Western Half of Iraq west of the Euphrates. Gen 13:14-15, Psm 105:9,11, Gen 15:18, Exe 23:31, Num 34:1-12, Josh 1:4.ALL THIS LAND ISRAEL WILL DEFINATELY OWN IN THE FUTURE, ITS ISRAELS NOT ISHMAELS LAND.

12 TRIBES INHERIT LAND IN THE FUTURE

MATTHEW 24:32
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:(ISRAEL WAS LITERALLY REBORN JUST BEFORE SUMMER,MAY 14,1948).

MARK 13:28
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

DANIEL 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

ISRAEL WILL BE IN CONTROL OF JERUSALEM, THE SIGN OF THE START OF THE LAST GENERATION.

NEHEMIAH 2:17
17  Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we (ISRAELIS) are in, how Jerusalem lieth waste,(AD 70) and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem,(DAN 9:24-27) that we be no more a reproach.

LUKE 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.(ISRAEL RECAPTURES JERUSALEM)(THE BEGGINING OF THE LAST GENERATION AND THE LAST END OF THE AGE OF GRACE.NOT THE END OF THE WORLD ,THE WORLD GOES ON FOREVER)

With songs and pageantry, nation transitions from mourning to celebration-Fourteen women representing a broad cross-section of Israeli society light 12 ceremonial torches at Mount Herzl event marking start of 66th Independence Day-By Times of Israel staff May 5, 2014, 7:56 pm 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAifa_CVGCY

Israel crossed over from mourning to celebration on Monday night, as Memorial Day came to a close at sundown and Israel’s 66th Independence Day began.Mourning and somber speeches gave way to fireworks, concerts and parties across the country as the nation transitioned to Independence Day, with flags raising from half-mast back to full.At the country’s military cemetery on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem, an official annual ceremony marked the transition with a speech from Knesset speaker Yuli Edelstein and the lighting of torches by 14 women selected by a special committee.The juxtaposition of the two days is a key part of Israelis’ experience of national mourning, ensuring that no commemoration completely excludes the achievement wrought by the sacrifice, and no that the elation of independence is never far removed from an awareness of its cost.The sudden switch is often seen as a difficult transition for bereaved families.Both President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered video messages to diaspora Jewish communities in honor of Independence Day.“The year ahead will present us with many challenges,” said Peres. “The shifting sands of the Middle East generate a sense of insecurity in what tomorrow holds. Change, however, can also present opportunities for new and better prospects that should be seized. With this in mind, Israel strives to become a significant contributor to the development of our region and to the world at large.”Israelis have “ingathered into our homeland a people that had been scattered around the globe,” Netanyahu said in his own message. “We have defended ourselves against the attacks of hostile neighbors, overcoming threats faced by no other country. We have built a vibrant democracy in which freedom is sacrosanct, guaranteeing equality under the law and the rights of every citizen. We have created a robust economy, a global technological superpower. We have signed peace treaties with two of our Arab neighbors, while we quietly talk with many more.”

A time for women

The official Independence Day ceremony on Mount Herzl is placing the accomplishments of Israeli women at the center of the national celebrations.Each year, torch lighters are selected to represent some community or aspect of Israeli society to light 12 symbolic torches representing the 12 ancient tribes of Israel.At the behest of Culture and Sports Minister Limor Livnat, the focus of this year’s ceremony is “A time for women – achievements and challenges.” The 14 torch lighters this year are all women, each with remarkable achievements and an inspiring life story.- Tennis star Shahar Pe’er, Israel’s most successful tennis player ever, once ranked 11th in the world.- Dr. Kira Radinsky, 27, is considered one of Israel’s most promising young scientific minds. She immigrated from Ukraine at the age of four, began studying at the prestigious Technion at the age of 15, and opened a technology start-up in 2012.- Belaynesh Zevadia is Israel’s first female ambassador to Ethiopia. She is also the first to have been born in Ethiopia. Zevadia immigrated to Israel with her family at the age of 17. She has served as a consul in the United States.- Maxine Fassberg is the CEO of Intel Israel and a vice president of Intel international.- Miriam Zohar immigrated to Israel in 1949 after surviving the Holocaust in Europe, launching a decades-long career as one of the country’s best-known stage actors, for many decades at Tel Aviv’s Habima theater.- Miriam Peretz, an educator and mother of six, lost two sons in the IDF and went on to invest many years in helping wounded soldiers and bereaved families.- Hindiya Suleiman, of the Galilee village of Bu’eine Nujeidat, is the widowed mother of four sons, all of whom served in the IDF. She is the founder of Pninat Haemek women’s arts center, where local women produce traditional folk art.- Adina Bar Shalom, besides being the daughter of beloved – and controversial – former chief rabbi Ovadia Yosef, is one of Israel’s best known ultra-Orthodox social activists. She founded a haredi technology college for women in Jerusalem and has worked to integrate haredim into the workforce.- Maj. Gen. Orna Barbivai, who commands the IDF’s Manpower Division, is the first woman ever to achieve the right of major general in the IDF.- Carmela Menashe, for 25 years Israel Radio’s military correspondent, has won all the major journalism awards an Israeli journalist can win, including the EMET prize and the Sokolov Prize. She is famous for being an address to which soldiers can turn when they face problems during their IDF service.- Tali Peretz-Cohen is an activist for women who have faced sexual assault. A resident of Kiryat Shemona on the Lebanese border, she runs the regional support center for victims of sexual assault and has worked on legislative initiatives to help victims realize their rights.- Pascal Berkovich, an immigrant from France, has represented Israel at the Beijing and London Paralympics, taking second place in rowing.- Geula Cohen served 19 years as an MK for the Likud and won the Israel Prize, Israel highest civilian honor, for her contributions to Israeli society.- Gal Yosef, a high school junior, chair the national high school student council.

LAND FOR PEACE (THE FUTURE 7 YEARS OF HELL ON EARTH)

JOEL 3:2
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people(ISRAEL) and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.(UPROOTED ISRAELIS AND DIVIDED JERUSALEM)(THIS BRINGS ON WW3 BECAUSE JERUSALEM IS DIVIDED,WARNING TO ARABS-MUSLIMS AND THE WORLD).

THE WEEK OF DANIEL 9:27 WE KNOW ITS 7 YRS

Heres the scripture 1 week = 7 yrs Genesis 29:27-29
27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week:(7 YEARS) and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.

DANIEL 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

DANIEL 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks(62X7=434 YEARS+7X7=49 YEARS=TOTAL OF 69 WEEKS OR 483 YRS) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(ROMAN LEADERS DESTROYED THE 2ND TEMPLE) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.(THERE HAS TO BE 70 WEEKS OR 490 YRS TO FUFILL THE VISION AND PROPHECY OF DAN 9:24).(THE NEXT VERSE IS THAT 7 YR WEEK OR (70TH FINAL WEEK).
27 And he ( THE ROMAN,EU PRESIDENT) shall confirm the covenant (PEACE TREATY) with many for one week:(1X7=7 YEARS) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,(3 1/2 yrs in TEMPLE ANIMAL SACRIFICES STOPPED) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

JEREMIAH 6:14
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

JEREMIAH 8:11
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

1 THESSALONIANS 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

ISAIAH 33:8
8  The highways lie waste, the wayfaring man ceaseth: he hath broken the covenant,(7 YR TREATY) he hath despised the cities, he regardeth no man.(THE WORLD LEADER-WAR MONGER CALLS HIMSELF GOD)

JERUSALEM DIVIDED

GENESIS 25:20-26
20  And Isaac was forty years old (A BIBLE GENERATION NUMBER=1967 + 40=2007+) when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
21  And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22  And the children (2 NATIONS IN HER-ISRAEL-ARABS) struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD.
23  And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;(ISRAEL AND THE ARABS) and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;(ISRAEL STRONGER THAN ARABS) and the elder shall serve the younger.(LITERALLY ISRAEL THE YOUNGER RULES (ISSAC)(JACOB-LATER NAME CHANGED TO ISRAEL) OVER THE OLDER ARABS (ISHMAEL)(ESAU)
24  And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
25  And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.(THE OLDER AN ARAB)
26  And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob:(THE YOUNGER-ISRAELI) and Isaac was threescore (60) years old when she bare them.(1967 + 60=2027)(COULD BE THE LAST GENERATION WHEN JERUSALEM IS DIVIDED AMOUNG THE 2 TWINS)(THE 2 TWINS WANT JERUSALEM-THE DIVISION OF JERUSALEM TODAY)(AND WHOS IN CONTROL OF JERUSALEM TODAY-THE YOUNGER ISSAC-JACOB-ISRAEL)(AND WHO WANTS JERUSALEM DIVIDED-THE OLDER,ESAU-ISHMAEL (THE ARABS)

ISAIAH 28:14-19 (THIS IS THE 7 YR TREATY COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27)
14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Hamas official: Unity deal forbids security cooperation with Israel-Gaza to incorporate 3,000 Palestinian Authority policemen as part of reconciliation, Hamas secretary says-By Elhanan Miller May 5, 2014, 2:34 pm-The Times of Israel

Hamas is preparing to incorporate 3,000 Palestinian Authority security men from the West Bank into its Gaza apparatus, a Hamas official has announced. He also referred to a previously unknown “security clause” in the agreement with Fatah criminalizing security coordination with Israel.Abdul Salam Siyam, secretary general of the Hamas government in Gaza, told Palestinian media that Hamas’s security agencies will remain intact pending the formation of a new unity government in June.“The government and the [Hamas] movement in Gaza have taken a strategic decision to move forward with reconciliation and create necessary conditions for its implementation,” Siyam said in a press statement Sunday.“In [the agreement], there is a clause referring to the security situation with many details, some of which touch on the security doctrine, criminalizing security cooperation [with Israel], and administrative arrangements for the return [to Gaza] of 3,000 security personnel belonging to Ramallah. The security situation in the Gaza Strip will remain as it is in the interim period,” read the statement, published in the Hamas daily Felesteen.The official reconciliation statement published in April made no reference to a “security clause” dealing with PA cooperation with Israel, which has remained tight in recent years. Independent Palestinian businessman Munib al-Masri, a member of the PLO delegation to talks with Hamas, told The Times of Israel that no reference was made to dealings with Israel during the talks.“Anything said by Hamas officials other than [deputy political bureau chief] Moussa Abu Marzouk is not credible,” Masri said. “Don’t believe rumors.”Palestinian security coordination with Israel had been a significant sticking point in relations between Fatah and Hamas prior to the reconciliation agreement ratified by the sides on April 23.On Monday, PA President Mahmoud Abbas met with Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal in Qatar to discuss the details of a unity government, expected to comprise non-politically-affiliated technocrats and headed by Abbas.Ziad Abu Ain, a member of Fatah’s Revolutionary Council, told Hamas daily Al-Resalah that the meeting between the two leaders — the first since January 2013 — is “pivotal and important.”“I hope that the coming hours will bring positive change and effective measures on the ground in implementing the recent reconciliation agreement ” Abu Ain told the daily on Monday morning, ahead of the Abbas-Mashaal meeting.Such measures were indeed underway in Gaza. Jerusalem-based daily Al-Quds reported that Hamas has allowed distribution of the paper in the Gaza Strip effective Monday, implementing the agreement with Fatah on freedom of the press. Ihab Ghosein, a spokesman for the Hamas government, told Al-Quds that a number of political detainees, likely from Fatah, will be released from prison in Gaza in the coming days.Fatah, for its part, seemed less sanguine about the reconciliation with Hamas, with no indication of reciprocal measures regarding press freedom in the West Bank or any immediate release of Hamas detainees.Ahmad Assaf, a spokesman for Fatah, lashed out Monday at unspecified “negative statements by Hamas leaders and spokespeople on Twitter over the past few days,” accusing them in a radio interview of “perpetuating the coup and division mentality.”Assaf referred to a Hamas statement accusing Fatah of ceding 78 percent of historic Palestine to Israel.“The Palestinian people enjoy a strong memory,” the Fatah spokesman was quoted by official Wafa news agency as saying. “They know exactly how Hamas gave up 99 percent of historic Palestine, agreeing to establish its own emirate on the Gaza Strip — which comprises less than 1 percent of historic Palestine — in return for its ability to rule.”

Hamas leader: We’ve never discussed disarmament-Moussa Abu Marzouk says group will never accept Quartet conditions on Israel, nor will it neutralize Qassam Brigades-By Elhanan Miller May 4, 2014, 4:30 pm 1-The Times of Israel

Hamas and Fatah have never discussed disarming Hamas’s military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, nor does Hamas intend to recognize Israel or abide by previously signed agreements, a Hamas leader announced on Saturday.Speaking to the press in Gaza, political bureau deputy chief Moussa Abu Marzouk said that Hamas and the other Palestinian factions have “temporarily” agreed to a Palestinian state on land conquered by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War, “without recognizing the Zionist entity.”The Quartet — an international entity comprising Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations — has demanded that Hamas recognize the State of Israel, abide by previous diplomatic agreements signed by the PA, and renounce violence as a means of achieving goals. Those principles were endorsed by UN Security Council Resolution 1850, which was unanimously adopted on December 2008.But Abu Marzouk said that accepting the international conditions was never on Hamas’s agenda.“We have rejected and continue to reject any conditions detracting from Palestinian rights,” he was quoted by Qatari news channel Al-Jazeera as saying. “Hamas will remain loyal to the right of return and to liberation.”Last week, a number of Hamas officials rushed to clarify their movement’s rejection of Israel following indications by PA leaders, including PA President Mahmoud Abbas, that Hamas would abide by previously signed agreements.
Another sticking point in reconciliation between the rival Palestinian factions remains the destiny of Hamas’s security forces in Gaza and its armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, which has launched thousands of rockets into Israel in previous years.Abu Marzouk stressed that recent reconciliation talks have not touched on the brigade’s weapons, nor have any previous talks with Fatah, Al-Jazeera reported.Created in 1992, the Izz Ad-Din Al-Qassam Brigades carried out numerous suicide and shooting attacks inside Israel throughout the 1990s and 2000s. Designated a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, the organization was also instrumental in the abduction of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in June 2006.

Why does Israel need a president? 'You must have more than just one person at the top'-Peres: With good will you can achieve peace. With wrong policies, you can postpone it-A final presidential Independence Day interview with that indefatigable optimist, our ‘obedient servant’ Shimon Peres-By David Horovitz May 5, 2014, 7:01 pm 8-The Times of Israel

This is Shimon Peres’s final Independence Day as president of the State of Israel. At 90, he might be forgiven for contemplating something of a withdrawal from public prominence. But he shows no sign of going gentle into that political good night when his seven-year term ends in July.Before he steps down he has several more foreign trips planned, a pope to host, ambassadors and overseas leaders to welcome, judges to swear in, and innumerable events to address. And after he leaves the President’s Residence, he plans to use the platform of his Peres Center for Peace to foster tolerance and cooperation in the cause of regional reconciliation — not in some vague, woolly way, but by utilizing his peerless connections to try to cultivate change.He gives an insight into that kind of activity in this Times of Israel interview when he says he intends to galvanize the international community to press Hamas into recognizing Israel and abandoning terrorism. Impossible, many might say. Naive. Foolish. Peres — and this is clearly one of his abiding key features — is entirely undaunted by dismissive, negative assessments. He says he’s spent a lifetime watching “unbelievable” developments coming to pass.Peres the party politician was a divisive man; Peres the president is overwhelmingly regarded as having been an asset for Israel, at home and, especially, abroad. Those who disagreed with him when he was a prominent figure in Labor and, far more briefly, in the Kadima party, may not have disagreed with him much less as he continued, from his position as president, to extol a vision of potential regional harmony. President Peres remained resolutely unmugged by the bloodiest and bleakest of realities. But there are few, even among those critics, who doubt that his insistence on the possibility of a better future, and his determination to work for it, has been beneficial to his country.To this reporter, over the years (as to much of the Israeli media), Peres has proved both gracious and available. (The latter is a quality — no, a requirement in a democracy — that our prime minister has abandoned.) Also good-humored: At the start of this interview, he took great pleasure in ridiculing my antiquated tape-recording devices, asking if, perhaps, they yield different and more interesting content than do the MP3 digital devices favored by my colleagues.As time has passed, Peres’s voice has softened and his rhetorical flourishes have become more familiar. So, too, his diplomatic positions. The politician who once outflanked his rival-turned-partner Yitzhak Rabin from the right has long since metamorphosed into the most prominent peacenik in a nation that says it wants peace while voting for governments that are disinclined to take risks for the cause. While Israel remains uncertain, Peres is convinced. And since he has failed to win us all over as president, he’ll keep on trying when he steps down.

I don’t think we have that many problems with Abbas

Knowing that this would be my final interview with the serving President Peres was more than a little moving. In a year that also saw the death of Ariel Sharon, the imminent departure from office of this hitherto ubiquitous figure, whose public life has escorted Israel from its first growing pains, truly marks the end of “Modern Israel: The early decades.” And to watch relative mediocrities squabbling over the presidential succession only underlines a certain sense of national orphanhood as this last of the old guard prepares to move on.

The Times of Israel: So how are you going to save the negotiations with the Palestinians?

Shimon Peres: Look, you have to work out what aspect is causing the most delay. In my opinion, today, that’s Hamas. I don’t think we have that many problems with Abu Mazen [PA President Mahmoud Abbas]. Quite the contrary. I can understand why he wants to unify the two camps. The problem is that you cannot unify contradictory forces. It’s either terrorism or peace. You can’t have both.There’s a highly unusual situation at present. Gaza, which is free (of any Israeli presence), supports terrorism. The West Bank, which is not yet entirely free, supports demilitarization. There’s no logic in that. We completely left Gaza. There are no settlements, there are no settlers, there is no army. What else do they want? What do they need 10,000 missiles for? Why are they building tunnels? They’ve got almost 1.9 million people to look after. The people are hungry.The secretary general of the UN calls me all the time asking us to let in wood, concrete. I’m all in favor, but if they use it to build tunnels, that’s crazy. Hamas has to be told (by the world), if you’re a party, you’re a party, but without terrorism, in favor of peace, respecting agreements. If not, then you’re an enemy.
And until then, Israel should not be negotiating with a Hamas-backed Palestinian government?
Our government doesn’t need to take the lead on this. The international community needs to do this.
I’ll tell you a short story. I was one of the deputy presidents of the Socialist International. There were 15 of us, deputy presidents. Fourteeen of them wanted to accept Arafat as a member and I was the only one who was opposed. They treated me fairly. But the trio of leaders — Willy Brandt, Bruno Kreisky and Olaf Palme — said to me, Shimon, you’re a democrat. Fourteen against one. You have to give in. Why are you opposed? I said, why do you say I’m opposed? Not at all. If you can prove to me that Arafat’s a socialist, that he supports peace and rules out terrorism, I’ll vote in favor. And what happened? They left me alone and they went to Arafat. They spoke to him. And it was them, I believe, who wrought the change in Arafat.I expect the same thing to happen with Hamas. Decisions the Israeli government makes aren’t binding on Hamas. But if all governments say to Hamas, listen, if you want funding, you want help, you want development, stop [the terrorism]… Answer the question: Why are you shooting [at Israel]? For what purpose are you shooting? Your friend, someone you trust, Abbas, signed a reconciliation agreement with an unreformed Hamas, however…I’m not at all sure how this is going to play out. This kind of thing has happened several times in the past. I’m not sure it will come to pass this time. But I actually hope it does succeed, since the only way in which it can succeed is if [Hamas abandons terrorism]. All that is asked of Hamas is to do what is normal. I’d like to hear one Hamas leader tell me why they are firing [at Israel]. You wanted us to leave Gaza. We left Gaza. You wanted a free Gaza. Gaza is free. Why are you shooting? Why should one and a half million mothers lose sleep at night because you have a screw loose? But I don’t want it to be Israel that has to say this. I don’t want to get into that argument. I want it to be the world that says it, an international effort. And I intend to devote a great deal of effort to galvanize the world, to make clear that we are not opposed to Palestinian unity, not opposed to people, but we are opposed to murder. It’s unthinkable and it destroys peace.What do you make of Abbas’s condemnation of the Holocaust? I greatly appreciate it. He had a different view in the past? What’s wrong with him changing his mind. It’s the first time Arabs are hearing this from an Arab leader, I believe. So I think it was a good step and I greatly respect it.And what of John Kerry’s warning that Israel risks becoming an apartheid state if no agreement is reached? You know, you can talk of peace in two ways. You can take the negative approach: what will happen if there’s no peace? Or you take the positive approach: what will unfold if there is peace? Personally I tend to stress the positive approach: What will peace bring — for Arabs, Jews and for the Middle East. There is no shortage of positive reasons. Unfortunately what began as discreet negotiations [under Kerry's stewardship] became a public debate. And now the rhetoric has overwhelmed the methodology. I would tone down the proclamations where each side rules out this and that, saying no and no. All these declarations create more extreme positions. I would remind ourselves that peace will offer amazing achievements. I would tell the Arabs that peace will offer amazing achievements.The real problem in the Arab world is that the birthrate has outstripped the growth of industrial production. There is no way to dramatically boost an economy on the ground, only through science. The Arabs have to make a calculation to join the scientific era. We can help them in many ways, and we must help.I see an Israeli interest to separate from the Palestinians. On the Palestinian side, I see the opposite — the people seeking to prevent their leader from compromise. Paradoxically, even separation takes two. You can’t get divorced if one side isn’t willing to. I much prefer living together than living separately. You can’t actually separate. You can’t divide the Jordan and you can’t divide the climate and you can’t divide the pollution and you can’t divide the diseases. It doesn’t work that way. The world is moving away from separation, toward globalization. Because in the scientific era there are no borders. In the scientific era, armies cannot conquer anything. They can’t conquer information.Let me ask you the question differently. It seems to me that the Israelis see self-interest in an agreement with the Palestinians and the Palestinian public does not.I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. People aren’t so knowledgeable about the details. There are general perceptions and those general perceptions are greatly influenced by what is said in public. In the surveys I see, essentially the Arabs want peace and we want peace. And there can’t be a separate peace. Peace needs to be comprehensive. You can’t have a partial peace. You can’t have temporary peace. You can’t have a peace only in certain places. Every people can retain their culture, their identity, their language. That certainly remains, but you can’t put up borders to science.

To say ‘never again’ means you have to make peace

You can’t place red lines. Lenin and Stalin had a red line, and murdered millions of people. Along comes a 27-year old boy, Mark Zuckerberg. No borders. And wrought a revolution. One approach went bankrupt. The other conquered the world. You can’t arrange things differently.Has the Holocaust made us too defensive, too wary, even paranoid when it comes to the security of our state? I don’t think you can generalize about the impact. The one unifying consequence is the insistence: Never again. But to say “never again” means you have to make peace. There are those who say never again means you have to be more forceful. The conclusions are different.And you tend to the less forceful approach? That’s not an inclination. That’s the necessary direction. The world has changed. There are two approaches to leadership — one that is built on force and the other that is built on good will. Good will is winning. Reliance on force is losing. Good will is the global companies that don’t have armies or police forces. They are built on good products and good relations. You can’t be racist. You can’t be nationalistic. You have to be global. What’s the conclusion? That through good will you can achieve more than through bureaucratic administrations… Governments always have to justify their existence and to badmouth their rivals. Companies have to cooperate.

Another Hitler would have a very hard time rising

I take the view that to be generous is smarter than to be cruel. It’s more beneficial to give than to take. America’s greatness lies in what it has given.Where do you place the Iranian threat in that vision of being constructive and generous and full of good will? Look, we’re not sheep to the slaughter. Iran isn’t a country free to get up and do outrageous things. We have ways to prevent outrageous things from happening.And the comparison that some people draw between the Iranian threat and the Nazis? I think another Hitler would have a very hard time rising. Apart from the horrifying genocide that killed six million Jews, he killed another 60 million.To look at the historical perspective, no military victory ultimately prevailed. Only values prevailed. There was 300 years of Ottoman rule here. Then came the British and French empires. What remains of any of that? Then came the Cold War, which was really surreal. The Americans and the Russians spent billions, on what? Now there’s an investigation under way in Russia, on how much they invested in Egypt. About 60 billion dollars, largely in weaponry. Did they win wars? No. Is there a Communist party there? No. It’s banned. So why did they spend all that money?

So many victims. So much money. Enough.

What’s your message for Israel on Independence Day?

We have to conduct our policy of peace in a Jewish way. We have to conduct our future according to Jewish values. This is the greatest strategy.‘Through good will and generosity, although not without strength, you can achieve peace, and by wrong policies you can postpone it’Everybody was born in the image of the Lord, whether you’re an Arab or whether you’re a Jew. Some people say with the Arabs you cannot make peace. Well, what do you know? We made peace with the Arabs. In Jordan there are Arabs. We didn’t make peace with them? We did. With Egypt? We did. Didn’t the Palestinians split — part for peace, part for terror? I believe that through good will and generosity, although not without strength, you can achieve peace, and by wrong policies you can postpone it. And, by the way, in order to achieve peace, the first party you have to convince is your own party. Because your own party says we are for peace, we are ready to pay the price, but why do you pay so much, why are you so naive? Look, what is the alternative? Not to pay? Not to believe? I saw things that at the beginning were considered unbelievable, coming true, like peace with Egypt, like peace with Jordan, like a partial peace with the Palestinians. And we have to go on.

And what do you say to the Jewish world?

We are a united Jewish people spiritually. Our spiritual union kept us together even when we didn’t have an independent state. Now that we have an independent state, we can be more united, without giving up the individual preferences.You know The Times of Israel appears in Arabic now, as well. So a message for the Arab world? There are 350 million Arabs in the Middle East. Sixty percent of them are below the age of 25. Hundreds of millions of them are already connected [to the internet]. I think this is the beginning of the change because if the young generation is connected, like all young generations in the world, they will search for peace and search for answers to their real problems, instead of continuing old images and old mistakes. This is your last Independence Day as president. Does Israel need a president and why? Israel needs a president because I think you need to have more than just one person at the top. One represents the administration, the government. The other represents the people and the mood. One represents the present situation. The other should act for the desired situation.

Advice for your successor?

Pay attention to the culture of the national life. As our sages say, derech eretz kadma l’Torah (roughly: Be a mensch). The president can contribute greatly if he will understand that a president is serving, not ruling. To serve is not less important than to rule.To sum it up with a joke: The British High Commissioner used to sign himself as “your obedient servant.” Once an Israeli official wrote him a letter, addressing it to: “My dear obedient servant.” I suggest that the president be the obedient servant.

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