Tuesday, July 30, 2013

DARREL DUMAS VERSES STAN JOHNSON ON THE RAPTURE WILL OR NOT

KING JESUS IS COMING FOR US ANY TIME NOW. THE RAPTURE. BE PREPARED TO GO.

RAPTURE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOOSKyRRFxc&feature=player_embedded#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvT2b3Iwzc&feature=related

2 TIMOTHY 4:2-4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

LUKE 21:28
28 And when these things begin to come to pass,(IN THERE INITIAL STAGES) then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

PROOF OF THE RAPTURE BEFORE 7 YR TRIBULATION.FOR SKEPTICS OF TRUTH.
ITS THE REVELATION OF JESUS TO EARTH,NOT REVELATIONS OF JESUS TO START WITH.
REVELATION CH 2+3 CHURCH AGE.
REVELATION CH 4 THE RAPTURE.
FOR SKEPTICS OF THE RAPTURE.WHY IS THE CHURCH NOT MENTIONED FROM REV CH 4 TILL CH 20 IS MY QUESTION.
REVELATION CH'S 6-19 (7 YR TRIBULATION).

RAPTURE SCRIPTURES

LUKE 21:28,36
28 And when these things begin to come to pass,(ALL THE SIGNS OF PROPHECY HAPPENING-BEGGINING TO ALL BE FULFILLED) then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.(THE RAPTURE)
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,(LITERALLY ON THE EARTH) and to stand before the Son of man.(RAPTURE-INVESTIGATION OF OUR CHRISTIAN LIVES AT THE RAPTURE-AND THE CROWNS GIVEN TO JESUS BY US FOR OUR CHRISTIAN WORKS HE DONE THROUGH US)

JOHN 14:2-3
2  In my Father’s house are many mansions:(JESUS MADE MANSIONS FOR US CHRISTIANS TO LIVE IN WITH HIM FOREVER ON EARTH) if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,(AT THE RAPTURE IN THE CLOUDS) and receive you unto myself;(CHRISTIANS) that where I am,(HEAVEN) there ye may be also.(HEAVEN,THEN AT THE END OF THE 7 YR TRIB.LITERALLY BACK TO EARTH WITH JESUS FOREVER)

1 THESSALONIANS 1:10
10  And to wait for his Son (KING JESUS) from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.(WE DON'T GO THREW THE 7 YR TRIB-WE GET RAPTURED BEFORE IT OCCURRS).

2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-12
3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man ( A LITERAL MAN,NOT JUST A SPIRITUALIZED SYSTEM OF ANTICHRIST) of sin be revealed, the son (A SON IS A MAN,NOT A SYSTEM) of perdition;(DUPLICATING JUDAS' ACTS)
4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself (A MAN PROMOTES HIMSELF NOT A SYSTEM) above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5  Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6  And now ye know what withholdeth (THE HOLY SPIRIT IN CHRISTIANS) that he might be revealed in his time.(AFTER THE RAPTURE)
7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.(CHRISTIANS AT THE RAPTURE)
8  And then (AFTER THE RAPTURE) shall that Wicked be revealed,(WORLD DICTATOR) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,(THE FALSE RESURRECTION OF THE WORLD DICTATOR) that they should believe a lie:(THAT HES GOD)
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,(GODS WORD) but had pleasure in unrighteousness.(SINFUL LUSTS AND DESIRES)

REVELATION 3:10-11
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (NOT THROUGH THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AND 3 BILLION DEAD FROM WW3) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world,(7 YR TRIBULATION) to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

ROMANS 8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.(THR RAPTURE)

WE KNOW FOR SURE THE RAPTURE COMES BEFORE THE JUDGEMENTS BECAUSE WE MEET JESUS IN REV 4:1 AND THE JUDGEMENTS START IN REV 6:1.AND REV 3:10 JUST BEFORE 4:1 SAYS WE WILL NOT GO THROUGHT THE 7 YRS OF HELL ON THE WHOLE EARTH.HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE-LETS LOOK AT REV 11 AND SEE HOW THE 2 WITNESSES GET RAPTURED TO HEAVEN.AND THE PRECISE WORDING GOD USES.

REV 11:7-8,11-12
7 And when they(MOSES-ELIJAH) shall have finished their testimony,(AT THE 3 1/2 YR MARK OF THE TRIB) the beast(WORLD DICTATOR) that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,(JERUSALEM) where also our Lord was crucified.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they(ELIJSH-MOSES) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.(REV 4:1 WE KNOW IS THE RAPTURE FOR SURE) And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.(RAPTURED)

WHAT DOES GOD SAY TO ELIJAH AND MOSES(COME UP HITHER)AND REV 4:1 GOD SAYS TO THE CHRISTIANS(COME UP HITHER).NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.THE RAPTURE OCCURS(REV 4:1) BEFORE THE 21 JUDGEMENTS OF REVELATION CH 6-19

REVELATION 4:1-2
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.(NOT SCARE PEOPLE WITH THESE WORDS,THE RAPTURE IS A COMFORT,WE WON'T GO THREW WW3 AND 3 BILLION DEAD)

JOHN 11:25-26
25  Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead,(BODY IN THE GRAVE/SPIRIT/SOUL GO TO JESUS) yet shall he live:(BODY,SOUL,SPIRIT REUNITED AT THE RAPTURE)
26  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.(THE CHRISTIANS ALIVE AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE NEVER DIE,OUR BODIES AUTOMATICALLY GET CHANGED TO NEVER DYING BODIES) Believest thou this?(THE CHRISTIANS ALIVE ON EARTH AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE NEVER HAVE A PHYSICAL DEATH LIKE THE VERSE SAYS)

1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-55
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

WELL I'M PRE-TRIB.AND WHEN YOU DEBATE A RAPTURE SCOFFER LIKE STAN JOHNSON.WHO SAYS THERES NO RAPTURE.AND EVERYBODY GOES THREW THE 7 YR TRIBULATION PERIOD AND WW3 AND 3 BILLION DEAD IN THAT 7 YEARS.WELL THE RESULT OF THIS FRAUD WAS CLEARLY SEEN IN THIS DEBATE WITH DUMAS.JOHNSON WOULD NOT EVEN ANSWER QUESTIONS DUMAS WROTE DOWN FOR HIM.HE REFUSED.JOHNSON EVEN GOT $1000.00 FOR COMMING TO DEBATE DUMAS IN HIS PLACE.AND THE NEXT DAY OF ALL THINGS-JOHNSON THREATENED TO SUE DUMAS FOR RECORDING THE SHOW AT DUMASES PLACE.BUT THEN AGAIN JOHNSON CLAIMES HES LEAD BY GOD (HES A PROPHET OF GOD) AND HE WILL BE THE ONE TO DISCOVER OIL IN ISRAEL SO HE CAN MAKE MILLIONS TO GET THE GOSPEL OUT.WELL I HAVE BEEN HEARING THOSE CLAIMES BY JOHNSON FOR YEARS.AND HE CAN SCAM THE PEOPLE LEGITIMATELY BECAUSE HES DECIEVED AND THINKS THERES NO RAPTURE.SO HE CAN HOARD HIS GUNS AND FOOD AND LAYS CASH.WHO DONATED TO HIM AND HIS OIL COMPANY TO DRILL FOR OIL IN ISRAEL.YUP WE GOT A REAL DECIEVER ON OUR HANDS IN STAN JOHNSON.

BUT ANYWAY BACK TO THE DEBATE.AND JOHNSON S FRYED LIKE A CHICKEN DINNER WHEN CONFRONTED BY DARREL DUMAS IN THIS DEBATE.TO MAKE IT FAIR I WILL GET BOTH SIDES VIEW ON THE DEBATE.

http://www.ddumas.net/
http://prophecyclub.com/TPC_Audio_Video.html 

THE RAPTURE DEBATE DUMAS VS JOHNSON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzAM5RveO2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKha7afzT4s

Published on Jul 27, 2013
Stan Johnson, A leader that don't like to be questioned.
When you can't answer questions, its because you are ignorant, or a deceiver. I don't think Stan Johnson is ignorant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_bW5Mg4u0
FOR FULL DEBATE HIT ON VIDEO 1&2 THE RAPTURE DEBATE
http://prophecyclub.com/TPC_Audio_Video.html

THE WHOS WHO OF PROPHECY-BY RAPTURE READY

The Prophecy Club hosted by Stan Johnson is one of the most error prone prophetic ministries in history. Johnson is very much a promoter of pop-apologetics. This where you have sensationalism and speculation replacing Biblical truth. There is simply no teaching that is too nutty or outlandish for Stan to believe.
In 1999 the Prophecy Club was warning Jews that it is essential that they return to Israel because the United States Government and the United Nations are building concentration camps in America to imprison Jews and "Israel-supporting" Christians.Stan Johnson claims "the Lord" told Peter Martinez and himself to start churches in the 42 cities where The Prophecy Club has meetings. Each city will get only one church, called 'The Church of Ephesus', or 'The Church of Philadelphia', 'The Church of Dallas', 'The Church of Modesto' and so on." This city-church' concept is similar to that being promoted by a number of other aberrant and cultic movements.The Prophesy Club has featured a speaker who mentioned in passing his trip through the solar system, a Texas oil man that believers he will discover huge reserves of oil in Israel, and several folks that have falsely predicted the start of the tribulation.
Comment made about Stan Johnson and The Prophecy Club:
"If the Lord were really in Stan Johnson's ministry, there would not be so many conflicting "prophetic" utterances such as those by Dumitri Dudeman, and he would not be now issuing so many apologies in an attempt to regain some semblance of credibility. Therefore, I have also rejected the work of Stan Johnson of The Prophecy Club. Y2K was the last straw when nothing prophesied ever panned out. The Prophecy Club really played that one out for all it was worth - a prime example of fear-mongering.""I have watched some of The Prophecy Club videos, and while they have some useful information, they are adamantly post-trib. Not just "Hey we believe in the post-trib view.", but they are getting close to the David Koresh brand of post-tribulational thinking."

WERE GOING TO ISRAEL TO DISCOVER THE LARGEST OIL FIELD-STAN JOHNSON
http://www.prophecyclub.com/newsletters/TPCquart1CAT08_small.pdf 

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